Question: Is a Green presidential campaign the best use of the Green Party's resources in 2008? What objectives should such a campaign aim to achieve?
If your answer to the above is "no," what might be the best use of the Green Party's resources in 2008?
If your answer to the above is "no," what might be the best use of the Green Party's resources in 2008?
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Re: Green Presidential Campaigns
Thu, October 25, 2007 - 2:23 PMOutreach to activist groups and environmental causes. The Green party seems to do NOTHING. They don't have activities, they don't hold meetings, they don't do squat, that I can see. What resources do the greens even have, and what are they using them on at present, that is a better question in my opinion.
Howabout rallying some people up to get something done. The republicans and democrats are handing out voters left and right. Get out there and recruit members who are sick of both parties. -
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Re: Green Presidential Campaigns
Tue, October 30, 2007 - 5:41 PMGreen activity or lack thereof depends on where you go. In Texas, we're not huge, but we're active at the county and state level, as well as serving on national committees. We are co-sponsoring events, such as a recent march against capital punishment, and some of us even get arrested while demonstrating. Here in Houston, several of us are serving on or running for KPFT's (Pacifica) Local Station Board. Those are just some examples.
Granted, it's a come-down from 2000 when the Nader effect briefly made us look more viable. Also, since 2000 we've had trouble overcoming the petitioning hurdles that Texas election law imposes to get the party on the ballot statewide. If you're disappointed with your area's Greens, find them, join them, lift them up. -
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Re: Green Presidential Campaigns
Mon, November 19, 2007 - 2:01 PM"If you're disappointed with your area's Greens, find them, join them, lift them up. "
I can't singlehandedly save a movement from itself, certainly not in my area where the effort is based on in-fighting. The effort involved on my part would be counterproductive. I think the greens have relegated themselves to the ranks of yet another extremist 3rd party with no viable chance or a platform that can speak to the majority of America.
I wouldn't waste time with a presidential candidate, quite frankly. I would say put the effort and money in to lobbying on causes they can actually win, or getting a local candidate established somewhere. If we can't get even a local candidate elected, what chance do we have on the national stage? The country is verging on accepting an environmentalist stance, but our vision of progress doesn't seem to factor in reality well enough to make for a party with viable appeal or realistic action goals.
I think the Greens need an overhaul. -
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Re: Green Presidential Campaigns
Wed, November 21, 2007 - 3:05 PMSorry to hear about your local Greens. That can be really sad. Maybe when the Greens get big enough, you'll have multiple local groups within your reach. I have tried to engender more localism here in Houston: We have a county organization, but it's a huge county with major transportation problems, and too many folks just can't get to our county meetings on the third Monday of the month. So it would be nice to have one group for inside Loop 610 and four for the quadrants outside the Loop, but my efforts just didn't stick.
Anyway, about the main topic here: As one of my fellow Greenies periodically reminds me, there are some states where local and statewide candidates MAY NOT run as Greens if there is no Green name for President--same is true for other minor parties, of course. So for them to succeed and wear the Green label, we need someone on the Presidential and VP lines.
Also, back in the realm of opinion, I foresee Greens getting more donations to lobby for those causes if they put up a Presidential candidate, especially a known quantity who can raise hell as well as funds. Much as I like homegirl kat swift, Cynthia McKinney may be just what Dr. Green ordered. -
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Re: Green Presidential Campaigns
Wed, November 21, 2007 - 6:38 PMThe rule requiring a Green (or any party) candidate to be on the ballot for president in order to have any candidates on the ballot is unsupportable. The US Constitution does not contemplate party politics at all and this seems like the invention of the offices of some of the states' Secretaries of State, either for their convenience or to discourage additional parties. I'm not suggesting a court challenge, unless someone wants to devote the resources to it; but I am suggesting a challenge to the Secretaries of State to provide documentation of legal support for such a stupid rule. There is no need to mention what one's intentions are with regard to going to court or not.
What does it take to get a presidential candidate on the ballot? Is is possible to find some articulate person who could run a serious campaign on a low or no budget? I don't know how much work or money would be involved; but such a candidate would be a living demonstration of how it's impossible to have any chance of being elected without access to millions of dollars. Granny D would likely be willing to do so in her home state. (Google will tell you what you need to know about Granny D.)
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Re: Green Presidential Campaigns
Sat, November 3, 2007 - 2:36 AMA Green presidential campaign can achieve several objectives:
1) It can give voters an opportunity to vote for someone who truly represents their views on important matters (e.g., being anti-war, unlike the D & R options in '04 & maybe again in '08).
2) Because the presidential contest is so closely watched & widely discussed, having a prominent candidate who can articulate Green positions brings a lot of attention to the Green platform.
2b) This national attention to Green politics has local coattails. During the 2000 Nader campaign, interest & membership in my Green local (Seattle) increased greatly. It also helped the local Green campaign of Joe Szwaja running against liberal Democrat Jim McDermott for US Congress. McDermott had always been challenged from the right (which tended to pull him rightward), but had never been challenged from the left before. When Szwaja got close to 20% of the vote, McDermott realized he needed to pay more attention to his progressive base. The prominence of Nader's campaign undoubtedly played a role in Szwaja's success.
3) A presidential campaign can make a big difference in Green Party ballot access in many states.
4) A federal campaign lets Greens talk about national issues that are very important right now, e.g., war, torture, privacy rights, global warming, etc. It's essential to put resources in local campaigns, but it means just talking about things like zoning ordinances, maintenance of infrastructure, etc. Important, yes, but Greens need addressing national issues to be relevant.
A lot of this depends on the quality & prominence of the candidate. But I think if the Greens didn't offer American voters an opportunity to vote for a presidential candidate more progressive than Hillary Clinton in 2008, it would be a crying shame. -
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Re: Green Presidential Campaigns
Thu, December 6, 2007 - 11:17 AMHow about Greens endorsing Dennis Kucinich, especially if/when the Demublican machine's nomination goes to Hillbama, should Kucinich go on to run as a third party candidate or independent? -
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Re: Green Presidential Campaigns
Sat, December 8, 2007 - 9:43 PMKucinich is my choice for president. If he would run, I would endorse him without reservation. I'm registered with The Pacific Green Party.
I don't regard Clinton and Obama as equivalent. Obama took the risk of supporting some common sense tax equity by advocating the elimination of the social security wage base. The way things are set up now, an overcompensated CEO pays Social Security/Medicare only on the first $100K (rounded) of wages, whereas his cleaning lady pays on every cent she earns. Hillary calls this proposition a "huge tax increase". She is many things but not stupid. She knows better than that. Yes, it is a tax increase but it establishes a degree of equity whereby the poor would no longer pay a much higher percentage of wage taxes than those earning six figures or more.
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Re: Green Presidential Campaigns
Sat, December 15, 2007 - 7:37 AMI donate monthly to Dennis Kucinich's campaign, if only to keep his ideas in the debates. But now even low-funded Democratic candidates are being excluded from the debates. I wonder if one of the other candidates will at least reach out to seek his endorsement? -
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Re: Green Presidential Campaigns
Tue, January 15, 2008 - 10:05 AMCheck out this outstanding good news via AlterNet: Kucinich Wins Lawsuit Against NBC to Be Included in Debate
www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/73773/
A judge "...has ruled that democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich must be included in the Tuesday night presidential debate in Las Vegas. Kucinich filed a lawsuit against NBC....Judge Charles Thompson ruled in Kucinich's favor saying if [Kucinich] isn't included, he will issue an injunction stopping the debate."
I think it was Cesar Chavez who once said (in the struggle of farm workers versus corporate agribusiness), "It is our time versus their money -and we have much more time than they have money." This is equally true of our champion Dennis versus corporate media; for each additional common person like you and me who joins in protest and speaks out we effectively multiply the manhours of our time being actively pitted against the big corporate money paying lawyers and politicians to suppress any dissident voice (like Dennis) from being heard.
Corporations do not own the public airwaves and cannot be allowed to exclude voices like Dennis Kucinich's from being heard.
In support please go to dennis4president.com click on "State by State" for links to groups in all 50 states and many cities. Take action! Please do go to dennis4president.com and join the group nearest you.
Give those corporations hell, Dennis!
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Re: Green Presidential Campaigns
Thu, December 27, 2007 - 12:34 AM>How about Greens endorsing Dennis Kucinich, especially if/when the Demublican machine's nomination goes to Hillbama, should Kucinich go on to run as a third party candidate or independent?
I was part of a Washington state Green delegation that met with Kucinich in '04 to discuss areas where we could work together. It was clear that his agenda had more in common with the Green Party platform than it did with the Dems. Although the Democratic Party has done little for Kucinich over the years, & his positions are aligned with Greens, he made it clear that he was committed to working within the Democratic Party & under no circumstances would he consider switching to the Green Party for his presidential bid. He kept his promise in '04, & I have no reason to believe he would be any different this year.
On the other hand, another (ex-)member of the progressive wing of Congressional Democrats *has* switched over to the Green Party to run for president -- Cynthia McKinney. Strongly against the war from the beginning, pushed impeachment proceedings even before Kucinich did. She had to pay the political price for not toeing the Dem party line, & now she's said, "good riddance -- we need a new way." I agree.
www.runcynthiarun.org/
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Re: Green Presidential Campaigns
Tue, December 25, 2007 - 2:59 AMGood question.
Is there a national Green organization that discusses these types of issues with Green members around the nation, or does someone just decide they want to run for President?
Also, Green party candidates tend to do well in countries that are democracies, and the US is not (it is not in the Constitution, the People have no direct role in government aside from, supposedly, electing new folks if we don't like what we have). Does the Green Party actually have a chance of any meaningful participation in government without some democratic reforms. Obviously, hoping for democratic government like in Europe (where Greens are more active) is probably unrealistic, but some reforms are possible. Nader always talks about abolishing the "winner take all" system. That is probably a good first step. Second step a Constitutional amendment that say, "Corporations are not human beings." -
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Re: Green Presidential Campaigns
Wed, December 26, 2007 - 2:16 PM>Does the Green Party actually have a chance of any meaningful participation in government without some democratic reforms
In my opinion, no. The U.S. isn't ready for a Green presidential candidate, and many of us may never get to "vote our values" without risking a spoiler effect. I've long felt that Greens and other progressive groups -- or ALL political groups outside the Republicrats -- should first throw their energy behind Instant Runoff Voting (IRv) or Condorset, or another voting system that lets voters rank their preferred candidates. This eliminates the spoiler effect, and is fair because it doesn't give preference to any particular ideology. But it does give people real choices, not the illusion of choices. -
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Re: Green Presidential Campaigns
Thu, December 27, 2007 - 12:50 AMI agree that electoral reform is essential to the Greens moving forward -- it has always been a key part of the Green agenda. The ironic thing is that the "spoiler effect" has much less relevance in presidential elections than elsewhere, since the electoral college makes the national election a state-by-state affair. Whether or not you think the electoral college makes sense (on the whole, I don't) one advantage is that in most states, voters can freely vote for the candidate who best represents their views without fear that they might be helping to elect the candidate they like least. Last time, by election day, only maybe 5-6 states were still considered swing states where the spoiler effect might come into play. Still, most voters continued to cast their ballots for the "lesser evil," out of fear, even though it was completely unnecessary. Green presidential candidate David Cobb's campaign did a lot to educate voters about this, but Greens still clearly have our work cut out for us.
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Re: Green Presidential Campaigns
Thu, December 27, 2007 - 12:55 AM>Is there a national Green organization that discusses these types of issues with Green members around the nation, or does someone just decide they want to run for President?
Of course Greens around the nation discuss these issues & then send delegates to a national nominating convention where a decision is made. For more details, follow the action at www.gp.org/
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